Wednesday, August 21, 2024

Keystone channel: easier for me to believe...

This is a fun one. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9yuWyJp3Y

First he claims that Joseph "recited to his scribe at a rate of about eight pages a day with no notes and his face in a hat." The accompanying video does show Joseph looking in the hat.


Then he says this:


Except he rejects what both Joseph and Oliver said about the translation! Neither of them said or implied that Joseph read words that appeared on a stone in the hat (SITH).

Instead, they explicitly said Joseph translated the plates by means of the Urim and Thummim that came with the plates.

E.g., i1838, Joseph set out several oft-asked questions in the Elders' Journal. Joseph answered the question about the Book of Mormon directly, clearly, and unambiguously. This should be the starting place for any discussion of the translation, but the SITH scholars never quote it.

Question 4th. How, and where did you obtain the Book of Mormon?

Answer. Moroni, the person who deposited the plates, from whence the Book of Mormon was translated, in a hill in Manchester, Ontario County, New York, being dead, and raised again therefrom, appeared unto me and told me where they were and gave me directions how to obtain them. I obtained them and the Urim and Thummim with them, by the means of which I translated the plates and thus came the Book of Mormon.

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/10 




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